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The Case Against Lee Strobel

21 Jan

Well there is dashed what I hoped was a good Christian Author.

Evaluating Christianity

Answering another email question, this time about the occasional asides I’ve made here against Lee Strobel.

Let me say this: the works of Lee Strobel are one of the things that crystallized my atheism. As a Christian, as an argument for Jesus/Christianity/theism, I think he has absolutely no credibility; as a person, I think he has absolutely no scruples. Here’s my case:

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15 Responses to “The Case Against Lee Strobel”

  1. Will S. January 21, 2014 at 5:41 am #

    He’s an evangelical. A former Willow Creek pastor.

    Of course he sucks; evangelicals generally do.

    I ignore the evangelical world and its celebrity preachers as much as I can. Shoot, I even ignore Reformed Baptist ones, too; I’ve found many of them equally problematic

    Covenantal Reformed, whether Dutch or Presbyterian, are about the only ones you can trust, generally.

    • infowarrior1 January 21, 2014 at 5:48 am #

      Well I used him as a example of authors who presents well the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

      So basically now one of my main points have fallen flat.

      • Will S. January 25, 2014 at 6:33 pm #

        We don’t need to try to marshal evidence in the same way someone solving a criminal investigation does; we see the truth thru the eye of faith.

      • infowarrior1 January 25, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

        Ah. You see. The problem with that is. When an atheist sees that he thinks that it is illogical believing in spite of evidence.

        Therefore Faith is irrational. As Aaron Clarey has said he wanted proof and evidence of God’s existence and all he got from his grandma is: “You are going to hell! You are going to hell!” Thus an Atheist today.

        For myself. If the resurrection of Jesus Christ is not Hard Objective Reality as well as the trustworthiness of the Gospels. There is no point believing in the vain imaginations and hallucinations of men of a non-existent God.

      • Will S. January 25, 2014 at 11:45 pm #

        “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.” – Hebrews 11:1, KJV

        See that? The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews, in saying that, demonstrates that faith enables us to see evidence which otherwise is invisible, not seen; faith allows us to discover that the things we hope for are solid, and real, having substance. Though we otherwise wouldn’t realize that.

        You cannot derive a proof that will satisfy an atheist that wants full, complete, empirical evidence. Scripture warns us right there that it can’t be done.

        Those of us, like myself, who are Calvinist, know that some people are chosen for faith, and that the rest never will come to a permanent, life-saving faith.

        But for us, the lucky ones, and all those whom God has chosen, we can appeal based on the inability of the world to make sense, except in the light of faith.

        Science cannot explain good and evil, nor should it try to. Science can’t provide an explanation of why we’re here, what the meaning of life is.

        But faith, the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen, can.

        You need to have the light to see everything else thereby; faith is that light.

      • infowarrior1 January 25, 2014 at 11:57 pm #

        Apologetics do have this function:

        2 Corinthians 10:3-5
        3 For though we live in the world we are not carrying on a worldly war, 4 for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

        And the ministry of William Lane Craig and Greg Koukl apologetics ministry actually brought many into the Faith.

      • Will S. January 25, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

        Exactly.

        Therefore, apologetics is sufficient; we don’t need to try to derive a ‘rational’ case to try to satisfy hardline atheists who irrationally rule out God’s existence from the get-go; who refuse to countenance the idea of the divine.

      • infowarrior1 January 26, 2014 at 12:03 am #

        Some destined to be vessels of wrath. Other vessels of mercy. So that the glory of God may be manifest to objects to his mercy.

      • Will S. January 26, 2014 at 12:10 am #

        Right!

        And as the book of Romans tells us, God chose ahead of time, which ones would be destined for which.

        http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+9&version=NIV

        We can therefore realize that some people will never be able to be convinced – because they weren’t chosen to be; we can present the evidence from Scripture as best we can, and only some will be convinced, others won’t. We don’t have to feel it is our burden, that we will be held responsible if some do not come to faith.

      • infowarrior1 January 26, 2014 at 8:27 am #

        Nope. But for people I care about at least. I will continue to plead for their souls until breath leaves their or my body.

      • Will S. January 26, 2014 at 12:12 am #

        BTW, Happy Australia Day!

      • infowarrior1 January 26, 2014 at 8:25 am #

        Happy invasion day to you too 😛

      • Will S. January 26, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

        ?

      • infowarrior1 January 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm #

        That’s what the aboriginals thought of Australia day. So I decided to joke along those lines.

      • Will S. January 27, 2014 at 2:58 am #

        Ah, yes.

        “We carry in our hearts the true country,
        and that cannot be stolen,
        We follow in the steps of our ancestry,
        and that cannot be broken…”

        (‘A Dead Heart’, Midnight Oil)

        In the linkfest I did for today at Patriactionary, I included a blog post by an American expat in Australia, discussing the left’s ritual bemoaning of Australia Day.

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